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18 February 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Wow ...  
Okay, I must be getting ballsy lately:

Originally Posted by farwest
I guess some people have trouble with the concept that there might be more than one genius at a place like CalSci (or maybe they have problems with a woman being a genius)

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We don't have a problem with a woman being a genius. I think it's great that women can be portrayed as being smart, but that's not what we're seeing in Amita. She swoops in to 'save the day,' coming across as being smarter than Charlie. That was NEVER supposed to be the case.

This show was NOT originally an ensemble, and it WASN'T a show about relationships. It was a show about Don using Charlie's UNIQUE and GENIUS mathematical skills to help him solve difficult cases. That was the premise of the show, but if Amita is supposed to be smarter than Charlie, then why is Charlie there in the first place? Why not have the new premise of the show be 'An FBI agent recruits his brother's genius GIRLFRIEND to help solve cases?'

A lot of people watched this show because it was about Don and Charlie. I don't mind the occasional insight into other characters, but this show was to focus on Don and Charlie, not their relationships or anything like that. This is Numb3rs, not Moonlighting with math thrown in for the heck of it.

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Let's see how quickly I get berated ....
 
 
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cassandraiacassandraia on February 18th, 2007 09:08 pm (UTC)
Furthermore: (if you need it, I realize I'm preaching to the choir here..)
As for the (our?) supposed insistence on the exclusivity of Charlie's smarts: no one I know has problems admitting Larry's brilliance, and I really don't think you'll find anyone who follows the show who does. There are many geniuses (genii?) at "CalSci". A research institute can't survive with just one, or even with only one in each department, least of all one of CalSci's supposed caliber. We probably haven't even met a tenth of the geniuses employed by CalSci. Think about it: we haven't even met the rest of the math department yet, and when you consider faculty, post-docs and doctoral candidates combined, this must be a fairly sizeable group of people. Sure, Charlie's the star of the depatment, but that's the point of the show!
I'd really hoped that we'd moved past this inferiority complex of women in science and math. That it's still rearing its ugly head, even in the form of "or are you just against gender balance in the sciences and math?" is disappointing. I'd be surprised if very many (here defined as a non-negligible portion, say 5%) of Numb3rs fans felt that way. The problem here (at least for me) is that Amita receives unearned, undeserved credit and adulation for the analysis and organization of data when what she really did was observe something that would be fairly mathematically clear to someone familiar with the concepts used. I will say this again: I do not believe Amita is dumb. She does hold degrees in (applied?) math and probably some kind of physics, if she was going for PhDs in both of those fields. She just isn't as brilliant as she's being credited for, and therein lies the problem.
misslindalee on February 19th, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
It happened. I really am getting ballsy:

http://www.fanrush.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6666&page=10&pp=10

Read all the way through and place bets on how long it takes for me to get ganged up on.
lia27 on February 19th, 2007 02:46 am (UTC)
I think you held your own. You did good. I'm afraid it won't do anything be make you more frustrated. I think that the show has changed for the worst and expressing it won't do anything but piss off the Charmita shippers. Not that that's a bad thing.

I also agree with one of the posters who said the show as we know it is over. My last post on the previous thread was a comment from Dareal. He came right out and said they have to keep giving Amita awards and degrees and jobs because WE forget that she's a genius and they have to have her appear smarter than Charlie sometimes so she can come up with the hint that solves the problem.

It is so annoying to me that TPTB want her to be a genius. She was OK as a student. Why change? And why does Charlie have to have a girlfriend? I personally think it would be more interesting to see him interact with other women.

Sadly, that's not happening. For some reason they want Charlie and Amita to be co-geniuses, husband and wife, FBI consultants. I don't think there is anything we can do about it. The more we complaine the more we find out that our worst fears are being realized. I have never been so sad to leave a show.
cassandraiacassandraia on February 19th, 2007 04:00 am (UTC)
"they have to keep giving Amita awards and degrees and jobs because WE forget that she's a genius and they have to have her appear smarter than Charlie sometimes so she can come up with the hint that solves the problem."

...except that it creates continuity problems with her intellegence. Oops.
If they were intended to be equal, they should have started that way. Charlie doesn't seem to be the kind of perosn that would say to his bright young graduate student: shuttup and siddown I need to solve this case. It could have been believably worked in that the two were intellectual equals from the get-go. Instead, it was established and re-established that Charlie is special, Charlie is a genius, a prodigy. Amita was shown as simply very bright.* Now it looks like Amita took steroids for her mental processes, because in the space of a year, maybe two she's caught up to (maybe overtaken?) Charlie in the very skills that made him unique.

*I'm trying to be charitable here. We know she's smart and ambitious. It doesn't matter how she acts or what she dresses like. Really.